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BigNig
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Posts: 20776Timestamp: Sun May 04, 08 5:28 PM
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| Jumpin' Jack Flash wrote: | Quite the lengthy statement.
One of the things I hate about every OS is hardware support. Well, except on Linux usually.
On Windows, once you reinstall, you need to get drivers for EVERYTHING. Video card, sometimes your processor, your printer, etc. It's ridiculous. And if you're running Vista, your hardware may not even work. Tough shit.
On OS X, they control their own hardware market. That's fine and dandy, but you can't really control your hardware, and they are CONSTANTLY coming out with new models of computers.
Not to mention Macs use GPT, which is a constant source of headaches for me.
Linux is definitely my favorite OS because you have ALOT of control over your stuff. From minimum fan speed to processor speed, to video card drivers, resolution (which is always helpful lol), and you DON'T need to download drivers (provided you're not running exotic hardware and you're using a do-it-for-you Linux distro).
And what you said about system requirements also struck a chord with me; Windows has only been getting more and more resource hungry. Although it really hasn't been a problem for OS X, as Apple controls the hardware market, they do make it harder on themselves in a few ways. If a bug pops up on specific hardware, like a bug in the Intel GMA 950 drivers, it'll target a really large group of people, as Apple's locked themselves into a bit of a hardware prison.
Linux, once again, seems to be the exception. Although most distros/flavors of Linux need around 300 MB of RAM, there are flavors made specifically for lower specced computers, such as Damn Small Linux (24 MB of RAM, and 50 MB of HD MINIMUM) that are nice if you haven't bought a computer in 10-15 years. |
With Apple, the only way you're controlling the hardware is if you buy a Mac Pro, and most people aren't going to want to plunk down $2700 for a machine that's meant for enthusiasts and businesses, anyway.
The GPT is annoying at times for me when it comes to OSX86, mainly because BIOSes don't accept anything but an MBR, and by default, most OSX86 installations accidentally select GUID Partition Table for you...gah.
Linux is fun...there are distros out there that you can boot using only two floppies, granted, you have nothing but a command line, but it's still a perfectly functional OS.
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Jumpin' Jack Flash
Level 27: Master Sword
Posts: 4153Timestamp: Sun May 04, 08 5:39 PM
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| BigNig wrote: | | Jumpin' Jack Flash wrote: | Quite the lengthy statement.
One of the things I hate about every OS is hardware support. Well, except on Linux usually.
On Windows, once you reinstall, you need to get drivers for EVERYTHING. Video card, sometimes your processor, your printer, etc. It's ridiculous. And if you're running Vista, your hardware may not even work. Tough shit.
On OS X, they control their own hardware market. That's fine and dandy, but you can't really control your hardware, and they are CONSTANTLY coming out with new models of computers.
Not to mention Macs use GPT, which is a constant source of headaches for me.
Linux is definitely my favorite OS because you have ALOT of control over your stuff. From minimum fan speed to processor speed, to video card drivers, resolution (which is always helpful lol), and you DON'T need to download drivers (provided you're not running exotic hardware and you're using a do-it-for-you Linux distro).
And what you said about system requirements also struck a chord with me; Windows has only been getting more and more resource hungry. Although it really hasn't been a problem for OS X, as Apple controls the hardware market, they do make it harder on themselves in a few ways. If a bug pops up on specific hardware, like a bug in the Intel GMA 950 drivers, it'll target a really large group of people, as Apple's locked themselves into a bit of a hardware prison.
Linux, once again, seems to be the exception. Although most distros/flavors of Linux need around 300 MB of RAM, there are flavors made specifically for lower specced computers, such as Damn Small Linux (24 MB of RAM, and 50 MB of HD MINIMUM) that are nice if you haven't bought a computer in 10-15 years. |
With Apple, the only way you're controlling the hardware is if you buy a Mac Pro, and most people aren't going to want to plunk down $2700 for a machine that's meant for enthusiasts and businesses, anyway.
The GPT is annoying at times for me when it comes to OSX86, mainly because BIOSes don't accept anything but an MBR, and by default, most OSX86 installations accidentally select GUID Partition Table for you...gah.
Linux is fun...there are distros out there that you can boot using only two floppies, granted, you have nothing but a command line, but it's still a perfectly functional OS. |
Hehe. You're running OSX86 aren't you? You boss-turd.
And a command line really turns off most people. Plus... No pr0n.
What I meant by Apple controlling their hardware market was something like this; basically, you can't change any parts in an Apple machine. Say you wanted an iMac (standard Apple desktop computer). The cheapest one ($1 199.99) comes with an ATI Radeon HD 2400 XT with 128 MB of memory. If you wanted, say, a NVIDIA GeForce 8800, you'd need to cough up $700 more for just a video card. No, you can't just ask for a better video card. I've tried.
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BigNig
Level 43: Monk
Posts: 20776Timestamp: Sun May 04, 08 5:57 PM
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| Jumpin' Jack Flash wrote: | Hehe. You're running OSX86 aren't you? You boss-turd.
And a command line really turns off most people. Plus... No pr0n.
What I meant by Apple controlling their hardware market was something like this; basically, you can't change any parts in an Apple machine. Say you wanted an iMac (standard Apple desktop computer). The cheapest one ($1 199.99) comes with an ATI Radeon HD 2400 XT with 128 MB of memory. If you wanted, say, a NVIDIA GeForce 8800, you'd need to cough up $700 more for just a video card. No, you can't just ask for a better video card. I've tried. |
No pron. D:
And yeah, that's a problem. You have to go to Apple and pay outrageous amounts of money for hardware.
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Skv012a
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Posts: 107Timestamp: Mon May 12, 08 10:38 PM
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Well, IF mac rises to popularity and mic goes out of business, then the ratio between smart-linux, mediocre-win, and retards-osx will simply flatten out and the masses will distribute themselves between 2 major OSes. Interesting scenario. Given the number of fairly stupid people in US who've been feeding Apple's craptastic products for years, could be somewhat likely... not.
I just hope that mic will make win less power hungry and keep it between lin and x in terms of functionality and user-friendliness. Also expand and improve the mobile versions.
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Jumpin' Jack Flash
Level 27: Master Sword
Posts: 4153Timestamp: Tue May 13, 08 5:33 AM
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| Skv012a wrote: | Well, IF mac rises to popularity and mic goes out of business, then the ratio between smart-linux, mediocre-win, and retards-osx will simply flatten out and the masses will distribute themselves between 2 major OSes. Interesting scenario. Given the number of fairly stupid people in US who've been feeding Apple's craptastic products for years, could be somewhat likely... not.
I just hope that mic will make win less power hungry and keep it between lin and x in terms of functionality and user-friendliness. Also expand and improve the mobile versions. |
If there's been anyone who's been being fed craptastic products, it's the people who've been buying Vista (150 bucks down the drain... w00t). Sure, it's not all bad (it's SO PURTY), but it's supposed to be an upgrade, not a RAM waster (500-700 MB RAM for an idle desktop with 2-5 gadgets running on Vista). The only thing I can think of that's worth buying Vista for is DX10, and apparently that can be hacked to work on XP. And you shouldn't be reluctant to upgrade anyway... It should be a no-brainer... At least, for anything but Vista.
That being said, I'm one of those "retards-osx" people, and I'll admit that there are a lot of true OS X retards, who keep going on and on about how Macs > PCs. There are Windows bastards out there too however that couldn't switch OSes for their lives; they're too attached to Windows and the "Windows Experience". These bastards tend to be the people who give Apple and Linux shit, just because they're reluctant to try anything new.
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Skv012a
Level 7: Takedown
Posts: 107Timestamp: Tue May 13, 08 7:01 AM
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Mac OS is just too simplistic for me. As far as Vista, I couldn't agree more. It was a pain in the ass to put XP Tablet on my convertible that came with Vista (unless I bought a weaker model), but I did so without hesitation to avoid most of the rediculous issues it brings.
Regarding majority of mac users, they're people who say "I don't/don't want to know sht about computers, but I must own one and use one, somehow" (and yes, they're the ones who kinda suck at that one let alone any other). Those annoy me to the bone with their ignorance. If its someone who is truly unable to learn how to use a comp properly, even the mac os, then its a blessing for them, but not for the rest of the crowd. Furthermore, people who have SO much money they'd willingly tank it into an ipod with 3 features vs 30 of any other player of = value or a comp following the same pattern.
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BigNig
Level 43: Monk
Posts: 20776Timestamp: Wed Jun 11, 08 3:09 AM
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Bumping this thread after reading that Apple has confirmed the next version of OS X - Mac OS X 10.6 "Snow Leopard".
Personally, I think that's a really retarded name, but at the same time, they're running out of big cat names...they really need to stop using the development codenames to refer to the final builds.
What's interesting about 10.6 is that it adds support for ZFS (which nerds are freaking out about, and normal people are WTFing about...after all, we need to worry about having 16EB sized volumes right now when we've barely hit the 1.5-2TB mark), officially turns Mac OS X into a full 64-bit operating system, and due to the 64-bit kernel, allows for a physical maximum limit of 16TB of RAM (the highest the current Mac Pro supports as of 2008 is 32GB, not to mention since the current version of Mac OS X, 10.5/Leopard is a hybrid 32/64-bit OS, the kernel still being 32-bit, there is still a much smaller limit than that of a fully 64-bit OS).
What's more is that the rumor mill has produced a little tidbit of info that says that Apple will be officially killing support for all PowerPC processor-based Macs with this version, although I don't personally think so. Based on the way the Intel transition's gone so far, I figure that the next version of Mac OS X will kill support for all G4-based Macs, with version 10.7 finally truly completing the transition.
And in EVEN MOAR news, apparently Windows 7 (based off of the NT line, and where the hell is my WinFS, Microsoft?) is going to include support for mounting and performing operations on a virtual hard disk image (something that Mac OS X has a leg up on with its .dmg format). Interesting that it took them this long. Oh well. And sometime in the third quarter of this year, get ready to fire up your torrent machines, because word is that the alpha builds that incorporate changes to the GUI hit then, betas hit sometime afterward, with Windows 7 going RTM in the second half of '09.
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Jumpin' Jack Flash
Level 27: Master Sword
Posts: 4153Timestamp: Wed Jun 11, 08 1:10 PM
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| Skv012a wrote: | Mac OS is just too simplistic for me. As far as Vista, I couldn't agree more. It was a pain in the ass to put XP Tablet on my convertible that came with Vista (unless I bought a weaker model), but I did so without hesitation to avoid most of the rediculous issues it brings.
Regarding majority of mac users, they're people who say "I don't/don't want to know sht about computers, but I must own one and use one, somehow" (and yes, they're the ones who kinda suck at that one let alone any other). Those annoy me to the bone with their ignorance. If its someone who is truly unable to learn how to use a comp properly, even the mac os, then its a blessing for them, but not for the rest of the crowd. Furthermore, people who have SO much money they'd willingly tank it into an ipod with 3 features vs 30 of any other player of = value or a comp following the same pattern. |
I have to disagree. Although most people don't know jack shit, and buy a Mac because "it's easier", OS X is also UNIX-based. Which means the Terminal is actually useful, and is not just an afterthought like it is in XP/Vista.
Most computer-tards I know still wouldn't dream of switching to OS X, even if they ran it on one of their current computers. They're so complacent with their Windows [insert version here] that they'll probably just keep on buying MS products, and not even think of buying/downloading another OS.
Personally though, I still think Linux beats all. But the lack of industry activity and games really kills it.
Also, regarding Snow Leopard... Who the fuck is going to buy 16 TB of RAM? I could understand if it's a supercomputer, or it's doing super ridiculous equations, but it shouldn't be touted as one of their big features.
And ZFS support will only be in the server line of 10.6.
Oh. And WinFS died. There was an interview with the head developer of it, and he said it was dropped.
One more feature never to see the light of day...
EDIT: Leak'd screenies show that 10.6 will ONLY INSTALL ON AN INTEL PROCESSOR.
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| BOATS wrote: | | My penis explodes with delight you ignorant chicken fucker. |
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BigNig
Level 43: Monk
Posts: 20776Timestamp: Wed Jun 11, 08 9:03 PM
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| Jumpin' Jack Flash wrote: | | EDIT: Leak'd screenies show that 10.6 will ONLY INSTALL ON AN INTEL PROCESSOR. |
PICS OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
They dropped WinFS? Srsly? Damn.
Me, I'm still a damn OS fetishist. I have to have all three running at the same time. Windows for the compatibility, Mac OS X because Aqua is teh pretty GUI, and Linux because no nerd is complete without some flavor of Linux, not to mention I just love playing around as root.
Linux is OK...and a lot of games and whatnot are accessible via Wine, although Wine still has plenty of room to grow. I still personally think it's the most powerful OS out there due to its extreme flexibility and ability to run on anything (and the fact that when any consumer electronic with a storage device comes out, the first piece of homebrew for it is a custom-tailored version of Linux)
OS X does inherit a lot of its habits from UNIX and the Mach kernel, however, a bunch of stuff was inherited from NEXTSTEP as well. But mostly UNIX. Terminal is orgasmic if you know what you're doing with it, as is the case with any *nix clone or descendant.
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Jumpin' Jack Flash
Level 27: Master Sword
Posts: 4153Timestamp: Wed Jun 11, 08 9:08 PM
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| BigNig wrote: | | Jumpin' Jack Flash wrote: | | EDIT: Leak'd screenies show that 10.6 will ONLY INSTALL ON AN INTEL PROCESSOR. |
PICS OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
They dropped WinFS? Srsly? Damn.
Me, I'm still a damn OS fetishist. I have to have all three running at the same time. Windows for the compatibility, Mac OS X because Aqua is teh pretty GUI, and Linux because no nerd is complete without some flavor of Linux, not to mention I just love playing around as root.
Linux is OK...and a lot of games and whatnot are accessible via Wine, although Wine still has plenty of room to grow. I still personally think it's the most powerful OS out there due to its extreme flexibility and ability to run on anything (and the fact that when any consumer electronic with a storage device comes out, the first piece of homebrew for it is a custom-tailored version of Linux)
OS X does inherit a lot of its habits from UNIX and the Mach kernel, however, a bunch of stuff was inherited from NEXTSTEP as well. But mostly UNIX. Terminal is orgasmic if you know what you're doing with it, as is the case with any *nix clone or descendant. |
Word of the day is: fetishist.
Note the Intel processor requirement.
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| BOATS wrote: | | My penis explodes with delight you ignorant chicken fucker. |
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